With NATO showing an interest in strengthening ties in the Indo-Pacific region what does this and the AUKUS security pact mean for New Zealand? Professor of International Relations at Otago University joined Tom and Kat with some thoughts. With NATO showing an interest in strengthening ties in the Indo-Pacific region what does this and the AUKUS security pact mean for New Zealand? Professor of International Relations at Otago University joined Tom and Kat with some thoughts.